Permaculture & Natural Building Thailand | Permaculture Thailand

We understand your PDC and NBC are Life Changing Events so we are always happy to answer any questions you may have and would love to hear from you. 

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The Rak Tamachat Community

Permaculture Thailand welcomes you to the Rak Tamachat Combined Discipline Permaculture & Natural Building Course


The Rak Tamachat Education Team has worked hard to design our Combined Discipline Course that brings together all the Key Disciplines of Permaculture under one Amazing Course.

In this amazing combined course, you will get the following individual Courses, saving you both time and money.

Rak Tamachat believes the standard 72 hrs PDC is a good introduction to Permaculture, but in order to make Permaculture come alive and utilize the tools it teaches, we have combined our 4 in 1 Natural Building Course with our PDC, and with the added bonus Training Modules on:

Tea Making, Permaponics and the making of Homemade products (Tofu, Soap, Tempeh, Cheese…).

We are ready to teach you the skills to create the amazing and dynamic Permaculture farm of your dreams, the wealth of knowledge that Rak Tamachat gives you will allow you to start on a new path with Permaculture, and the rest of your LIFE!

What you get for this All-Inclusive Price!


  • Rak Tamachat’s 72 hrs on-campus Permaculture Design Course and certificate of completion;
  • In-depth exploration of the 14 chapters of Bill Mollison’s “Permaculture: a Designers’ Manual“;
  • Hands-on practical PDC morning sessions to show you all the gardening/farming techniques used in Permaculture (compost, biochar, bio-fertilizers, plant propagation, vermiculture, swales and levels, etc.)
  • Rak Tamachat’s on-campus Natural Building Design Course and certificate of completion;
  • FREE access to the Online PDC for 1 year;
  • FREE access to the Online NBC for 1 year;
  • Private Teak Bungalow accommodation (with mattress, bedding, mosquito net, fan and electric outlets);
  • Three Communal Meals per day, plus fruit snacks, teas, coffees all included;
  • Bonus Training Modules –  Permaponics with Beau Wickboldt and Natural Products with Lin Wickboldt (Tofu, Tempeh, Soaps, Cheese, Natural Tooth Powder and Sprouts);
  • Free High-speed Fiber Internet Access;
  • FREE lifetime access to the Rak Tamachat Reference Library (over 60 gigs of Permaculture and Natural Building);
  • Thai Cooking Experience with Khun Lin during Communal Meal Preparation;
  • FREE seeds after the seed saving session to help you start or develop your own permaculture farm;
  • The course cost includes the first night stay before the first course day and the last night after the last course day.

 Now Exclusive to All Rak Tamachat Students:

Get 1 Year of Free Online Access to the Sustainable Agriculture Institute!!!


Online Permaculture Design Courses - Teaching SustainabilityWhen you sign up to an on-campus Combined Course at Rak Tamachat, we give you

1 year of free access to the Sustainable Agriculture Institute’s

online Permaculture Design Course and online Practical Natural Building Course,

entirely Free!!!

Get all the in-depth knowledge of your sustainable courses with access to more than 50 hours of practical and lecture videos. Refresh and expand your knowledge with a Learning Management System that makes learning easy and flexible.

Not convinced? Visit the Sustainable Agriculture Institute and discover their online programs.


Try it out: sign-up to a free online Introduction to Permaculture Design here.

 Bonus Training Modules

The Art of Tea Making

You will learn the Art of Tea Making, as handed down through family generations, with all the techniques needed to make all natural organic teas. You will be able to make your own teas and bring a truly special gift home for your family and friends. Learning to make fresh teas will give you a life long skill!

Tempeh Making

Learn to prepare one of the most flavourful of vegan/vegetarian food there is! During our Homesteading modules, learn how to prepare tempeh from scratch, then cook it and eat it with your fellow students. Tempeh making: a new skill you will definitely want to take back home!



At Rak Tamachat, we believe in growing the most nutritious food we can with the least amount of work. We derive all of our fertilizers on site and, with our amazing Permaponics growing systems developed by Beau, we can grow all of our salad greens organically. Come to learn how you can build your own Permaponic Systems at your home, for food or a small business.

Homemade Tofu Making

Our communal Kitchen is a truly wonderful place to hang out. Ajarn Lin is always making amazingly delicious and nutritious creations, and always willing to teach. Her homemade tofu is easy to make, and the best part is that we all get to eat it! She now has a huge bean spotter, bean sprouts with stir fry veggies from the garden and fresh homemade tofu for dinner…

Homemade Soap Making

Making your own homemade products is a big part of what Permaculture is all about. At Rak Tamachat, we strive to make as many products as we can. We know that they are free of harmful chemicals and it saves us a lot of money. Plus, our homemade products like soap are better for us and the Environment. We make all our soaps, Your can too!!

Homemade Cheese Making

Homemade cheese making from local cows milked the same morning is a blessing, it goes great with our meals, is easy to make, and is preserved easily if we do not eat it all. It also does wonders during our veggie bean burger nights and PIZZA nights in our wood-fired pizza oven. Life is easy when you know how to make things yourself, they also taste better!

Check out the below list of Course Offering dates:


Please note: Rak Tamachat Courses fill up fast due to early booking and the 15 student limit per course!

 Registration and Deposit Process:

We ask for a 100 USD deposit to be made by PayPal, you can pay using other currencies and PayPal will convert the exchange rates

***** Please note that Rak Tamachat limits it’s participants to 15 students per course so securing your spot EARLY is recommend ****** 

Terms and Conditions

Note 1: Space is limited for this unique course. Early registration is recommended. If you cancel two or more weeks before the course your deposit will be refunded, less 20% for the cost of the fees for PayPal. If you cancel less than two weeks before the start of the course, we will allow you to use the deposit for any future course less the 20% PayPal charges. Note 2: The outstanding cost of the course less the deposit made must be paid on the first day of the course. Anyone unable to pay for the course at the farm on the first day will not be able to take part in the course. We accept payments for the balance of your course cost in cash (Thai Baht).  As a second method of payment, you can pay your balance with PayPal.  However, please note that if you choose to pay the balance by PayPal you will have an additional cost of 5% to cover the transaction fee, which is an additional cost applied by PayPal which Rak Tamachat has no control over. We recommend that you come to the farm with cash (Thai Baht). The easiest way is to exchange money is at the Airport. Please note that the closest ATM to the farm is in Sikhiu, a 30 minute ride with a motorbike taxi. If you arrive at the farm without money (Thai Baht) and cannot make a PayPal transfer you will have to pay for the return ride to Sikhiu which is 300 Baht each way. Also note that some banks will not allow you to withdrawal large amounts on your ATM card. Honestly, save a little money and come to the farm with cash (Thai Baht) which you exchange at the airport.  It is truly the easiest way to pay.

Permaculture Design Course (PDC)


Rak Tamachat  is committed to returning the “DESIGN Element to the Permaculture Design Course. Through engaged participatory design exercises we teach our students the skills they need to be able to create a fully integrated Permaculture Master Plan with all the design elements they will need for their own property or one of their clients.

You will leave Rak Tamachat with your own fully developed Master Plan Design Portfolio that walks you through step by step exercises and self reflection activities that will allow you to develop an Integrated Permaculture Master Plan.

During the course, we will touch on every major topic in the Permaculture Designers Manual as well as new Permaculture ideas, strategies, and techniques that have emerged over the last 40 years.

Permaculture is an ever expanding field of knowledge and our Educators work hard to bring the latest Permaculture Design Techniques to all our courses.

Permaculture Design Course (PDC) Curriculum Navigator

Ethics and Design Principles

The basis of Permaculture as a Design Science is rooted in the core Ethics and Design Principles, they guide our design and our life. Earth Care, People Care, Fair Share.

Patterns in Nature

We know that nature is our true teacher as Permaculterist, and that we must look to her guidance to see how energy flows, by developing our Pattern Eye we can unlock the secrets of Nature. Nature holds all the keys to our future.

Design Science

Permaculture is based in a Design Process that Methods and Themes. We know that through detailed Analysis and Observations we can hear what Nature is teaching us. The Ethics and Design Principles guide us throughout allowing for the discover of our design.

Ecology and Organics

The natural world give us everything we need to live. The more we learn of its gifts the easier our existence with become. Learn to work with nature rather than against it is Permaculture. When we lose our ego we can become eco.

Soil Food Web

The soil is the basis for all life. We work with the soil to build interactions and help facilitate the conditions for life to flourish. We feed the soil and nutritious fruits and vegetables are the results.

Plant Propogation

Learning to propagate our own plants with confidence is one of the cornerstones of sustainability. We teach all the techniques you will need to grow anything! Saving Seed, Seedlings, Cuttings, Layering, Suckering, Grafting.

Eathworks and Water Harvesting

Use the earth to solve the problems of agriculture, stop erosion, build soils, start perennial food systems. Learn to make natural swimming pools, ponds, micro garden swales, broad-scale swales, chinampas.

Appropriate Technologies

Learn to use Technology to repair and rebuilt the environment. We have the tools to correct the damage we have done to the planet. With Appropriately used Technologies we can change the future. 

Food Forest Design

Learn to plan, design and implement a perennial food growing system based on the succession and stability of a natural forest. We have all of the tools to start making sustainable food production a reality with Food Forest.

Integrated Animal Husbandry

Learn how through Holistic Management we can return the animals to their natural place in the world. We need to look to how nature manages her animals to see that the way of the future is not in a cage. 

Alternative Global Nation

The future of the world depends on everyone coming together to make a change. Building stronger communities and sharing more is the way.  Take it back!

Master Planning

Learning the art of Master Planning gives you the power to enact change at your own level thus showing others what is possible and empowering the changes we want to see. Learn how to grow your own food, build your own house and have Freedom.

The Rak Tamachat “Pay it Forward” Program


As a graduate student of Rak Tamachat, you will become a member of the Rak Tamachat Permaculture Intentional Community.

As such, you will receive the right to return to sit in on a 2nd Permaculture Design Course (PDC) at 1/2 Price, or return at a later date to see your works thriving with our Permaculture Residency Program.

We love when our old friends return to help out! It’s like seeing long lost friends, and with Permaculture and Natural Home Building, it’s all about our relationships with people and nature.


Check Out Agatha’s Testimonial of her

Pay it Forward” Experience!

Rak Tamachat Student Testimonials

Meet the Rak Tamachat Education Team


Our Educators are professionals in their fields and fully certified to run Permaculture Design and Natural Building courses in an engaging and informative manner. This is what makes Permaculture such a strong and inspiring movement and Rak Tamachat a special Permaculture Education Center. Rak Tamachat is also extremely lucky to have our local Thai Educators who share their vast knowledge of Tropical Plants, building, and the overall Thai Lifestyle.

Master Planning with Registered Engineer Beau Wickboldt

Beau is the founder of Rak Tamachat were he lives full time with his Thai family. Beau knows that, ultimately, Family is why we do Permaculture. He believes we can work to make our world the better place we want, and that Permaculture offers all the tools you need to make the life we want. He has a passion for all things Permaculture and works hard every day to share his lifestyle with others. After answering everyone’s questions he can be found teaching, sharing, mentoring or working on the Natural Building site. He has a fetish for planting trees, over 12,000 so far at Rak. He is fondly referred to as the Head Hippie in Charge 🙂

Organic Gardening and Thai Cooking with Lin Wickboldt

Lin is the beautiful wife of Beau, she is the better half of Rak Tamachat. Her passion for growing organic nutritious foods and using the fresh ingredients from the garden to make delicious fusion Thai and western cuisine is a true blessing to the students and residents of Rak Tamachat. Lin loves teaching Thai homesteading skills such as tofu, soaps, etc. She enjoys sharing all the aspects of Thai Culture and teaching the Thai Style of gardening and cooking. Come learn all about Permaculture and how to grow, cook and live as well.

Explore the key features of the Rak Tamachat – Permaculture Thailand Experience!!!

Our Farm

75 acres of Perennial Permaculture , we have planted over 10,000 trees for food and timber making Rak Tamachat a true Garden of Eden. 

Our Home

The Education Center was designed to provide our students with world class standards so as to make their learning with us a truly remarkable experience.

Small Scale intensive and Broad Scale Transitional Agricultural Systems

Rak Tamachat is proud to have a fully integrated Permaculture Master Plan that we use as a guide for what we teach in our course. We don’t just teach but live out our teachings everyday on our site. 

Experiential Learning - Getting your hands dirty!

Experiential Hands on Learning is the best way to make sure you learn any given skill and it’s more FUN!

Communal Cooking

We love cooking and eating the food we raised together, it is what Permaculture is all about. Harvest, Save seed, plant it, cook it, compost it! Life’s Easy. 

Thai Cultural Integration Activities

We love to share our cultures with each other and, to that end, we have many cultural exchanges throughout the course. 

You have to Love the Natural Building facilities at Rak Tamachat


Your stay during the course will be an amazing time, you will not only learn from top notch teachers, but also have the added benefit of living in what some people have called a “Permisort“, Natural Building with love is what makes it all possible!

Your Private Teak Bungalows

The Natural Toilets & Showers

The Communal Sala at Rak Tamachat

The Communal Sala at Rak Tamachat

Lin’s Communal Kitchen

The Permaculture Classroom

Combined Permaculture Design + Natural Building Course

Curriculum and Schedule

Course Arrival Day

The course is held over 14 days. The arrival day is not counted as a course teaching day. Most of our students arrive after lunch on the arrival day. This allow them to check-in and complete registration. Get settled into their Bungalow. Take a shower or swim in the pond and be refreshed for dinner.

Please note that the first day of the course begins on day one at 8:00 AM.

Please do not arrive any latter than 6:00 pm on the arrival day as dinner is served at 7:00 pm. 

Check out our Directions Page to see how easy it easy to get to Rak Tamachat.

Course Departure Day

Departure is between 8:00 and 11:00 am the morning after the last day of the course.

Or you could also stay and be a Permaculturist in Residence, as Part of the PAY IT FORWARD Program.

Please note:

Rak Tamachat reserves the right to change the schedule’s order to adapt to seasonal variations,

materials and staff availability, or students’ needs.

 Nevertheless, be assured that all lesson contents mentioned in the above schedule will be covered. 

Natural Building: Four-in-one Adobe Construction Methods Course

Rak Tamachat is committed to teaching Natural Building with real-world practical building and construction skills. Through engaged participatory exercises, we teach our students the skills they need to be able to build all the elements of a complete home.

During the course, we will touch on every major topic in the typical house building process from ideas, strategies, and techniques for the successful construction of a home.

Natural Building is an ever-expanding field of knowledge and our Educators work hard to bring the latest Natural Building Techniques to all our courses.

Check out the Natural Building Experience Navigator to get a more in-depth look.

Natural Building Course (NBC) Curriculum Navigator

Traditional Adobe Techniques

Learn to use Earth beneath your feet to build Beautiful, Natural and Non-toxic homes. You can build your house and stay out of debt, which  shackls so many to the consumer systems.

Super Adobe Earth Bag

Learn how to make Stabilized Earth and to utilize the earth bag/tube technique to make structural building or domes. Stabilized earth is a good choice for building in areas with, earthquakes, typhoons, floods, etc.

Plastering with Adobe

Learning to use your hands and small trowels to apply a protective coating to your adobe and super adobe walls. Learn how to get the smooth finish and color you want. Three coats to a smooth finish. Working clay with your hands is meditation.

Compressed Earth Blocks CEB's

Learn how to make Compressed Earth Blocks using a small village scale system. It allows for a standardized brick to be made. This new natural building system makes the process of constructing a house easy.

Your Course – A Life Changing Decision!

  Before you make a life changing decision about where and who to take your course with please read the following list of:

“What you should consider when choosing a course”

Make sure you know what you’re going to get for your hard-earned money. An informed choice is always the best choice.

Permaculture teaches the Principles of Good Design and doing your homework. Researching the facts is what Good Design and Good Permaculture is all about.

Start right on your Permaculture path by selecting the best course for you!

Who are the lead educators for the course, whats their experience with Permaculture and how are they supported?
Rak Tamachat has a passionate group of Experienced Lead Educators supported by a dedicated team of Permaculture Educator Resident Interns who help to Facilitate and co-teach portions of the courses.

We feel this way of teaching helps to provide a more well rounded diverse course and allows our course graduates to gain teaching experience while being mentored by an experienced lead teacher.

How does the Education Center Facilitate their courses?
Facilitation of the courses is one of the unseen but most important aspects of making sure the course runs smoothly.

Creating and maintaining a welcoming and loving environment with trust is where the Rak Tamachat Resident Interns really shine.

The Resident Interns are the Rak that rolls the Education Center wheels.

We really could not do it without them and achieve the high level Rak Tamachat strives for.

What is the classroom like and maximum class size?
Rak Tamachat’s Main Classroom is simply amazing.

It has fully reclined bamboo seating with Thai cushions so you can lay back and relax while learning. The classroom is laid out in stadium seating perspective and can fit a maximum of 18 students luxuriously.

We feel 15 students is the upper limit for providing a good student teacher ratio and delivering a student centered approach to learning. We have to also allow for places for our returning students on the “Pay It Forward Program“.

We feel this allows the teacher and all the students to get the valuable face time together needed to transfer knowledge and maintain a more personal teacher student relationship so essential in learning.

We are not in this for the money, we do it to support our growing community and PAY IT FORWARD.

What accommodation is provided in the course price?
At Rak Tamachat we understand the “value of a good night sleep” and we are consciously focused on providing a high standard of natural living for our students and residents. People don’t call us a “Permasort” for nothing

Rak Tamachat’s courses included a stay in one of our Teak Bungalows. Our bungalows are situated in a beautiful forest garden setting, on the edge of a pond, nestled under bamboo stands bordering our fruit orchard.

In the tropics hygiene is important. We have designed full functional, “Bali Style” open air toilets and showers.

There are Bird’s of Paradise right in the shower!!

On Rak Tamachat’s Tree of Life you can see one of the key Permaculture Principles on is integrate not segregate.

When you come to stay at Rak Tamachat you will live in the same bungalows that our Residents stay in as well.

You can choose to upgrade to a private bungalow should you wish or stay in one of our or your own tent.

Does the course include field trips?
Rak Tamachat understands the value of seeing what we teach being done in the real world. We take an amazing cultural fields trip to show you what the Thai Culture is all about.

Does the Education Center provide students with a curriculum and schedule?
At Rak Tamachat we understand the need to maintain a structured, well planned and professional course that is clear, concise and conducive to learning.

At Rak Tamachat we provide students with a detailed PDC Course Syllabus, Master Plan Design Portfolio and Permaculture Tool Box.

What teaching styles do the Educators employ to facilitate learning?
At Rak Tamachat we engage our students in an adult oriented, interactively based curriculum, open forum learning environment.

Our Main Classroom and Outdoor Hands on Practical Classrooms are equipped to give the best education possible in an relaxed environment.

We are never short on space, tools, or equipment and our founder prides himself on his large “toolbox“.

Without tools design is just a dream. Rak Tamachat makes dreams a reality!

Does the Education Center have or utilize a Permaculture Master Plan?
Rak Tamachat utilizes a Permaculture Master Plan to oversee our short and long term farming plans and actions.

The plan allows us to plan for and reflect on what we hold to be the corner stones of what is necessary for the farm to be a healthy environment for us to live, provide for the lifestyle we need to flourish and allow for the return on our work to keep us economically viable.

The Master Plan is a living document and as such is constantly referred to, revised, updated, and added to as we learn and grow with the integrated farming operations here at Rak Tamachat.

We hope by putting our work out to the world for their review and use that we are “Paying Forward” the help that we received.

Feel free to copy whatever can help you in your farming endeavors, nothing would make us more happy than to help another farmer succeed in Permaculture and Sustainable Integrated Farming. Check out our Master Plan Here

What materials are provided to the students before, during and after the course?
During the course we provide our students with Permaculture Toolkits to build up their Permaculture Tool Box.

As they say, a plumber without tools is juts a fat man with a large crack bent over your sink; and a Permaculturist without tools is just a Tool.

You will be given access to copy to your hard-drive our complete “Rak Tamachat Tool Box” located on Rak Tamachat’s server.

This will give you all the information and further study materials for your “budding” Permaculture career.

What is the farm / Education Center like for the hands on practical sessions and does the course actually have practicals?
Rak Tamachat is a very hands on, experiential learning training center.

We are lucky to have the ecological and physical infrastructure of a well designed training site allowing us to demonstrate and participate in the principles taught in all our courses.

We’re able to take first hand knowledge and experience and apply it to project based practicals that fit within a real Vision and Permaculture Master Plan.

At Rak Tamachat you will participate and co-evolve in projects that contribute to the overall development of Rak Tamachat’s Living Organic Permacultutre Master Plan.

We don’t like demonstrations for the sake of demonstrations.

We value resources and practice profitable Permaculture by re-investing our yields.

We value your labor and make it count towards something real.

Does your Permaculture Education Center allow you to copy their Permaculture Database?
Rak Tamachat believes in open source and free share.

We have a database with a plethora of Permaculture Materials – books, documentaries, podcasts, articles, pictures, research papers etc. We reccomend bringing a portable hard disk with at least a Terabyte if you want it all.

We want to share with you and give you all the resources so you can continue learning after graduating from Rak Tamachat.

Are fruit snacks / coffee inclusive in the course cost?
Yes. Is there any other way?

We also have a Rak Mart (Rak means Love in Thai), which we sell non communal items you may not be able to live without – mosquito repellent, natural shampoo and soaps, Thai snacks, etc……

Will there be internet access?
At Rak Tamachat we understand the need to interact online with friends and family while abroad and value the ability to access the internet.

We have full and reliably fast (ADSL) free wifi capabilities in our communal Sala.

You can skype home anytime you want. We don’t mind.

Does the Education Center cater to dietary needs?
Our lifestyle values diversity and personal choices and our kitchen reflects this.

We have Raw-food, vegetarian, vegans and gluten-intolerant people as guests all the time; we strive to accommodate food sensitivities, however you should inform us about your dietary needs and we may advise that you bring specialty snacks as we live far away from any major cities and we may not have access to certain food items.

Are there areas that provide for a diverse social atmosphere?
The residents of Rak Tamachat enjoy our lifestyle.

We work hard to create a variety of areas to relax, socialize, swim, meditate, do yoga, exercise, go for a walk, enjoy a sunset or hang out with the locals.

We also understand that personal space and privacy is important at times and therefore we have placed throughout the property bamboo huts to allow you a place to get away and be on your own.

Did we mention we have 75 acres to wander around?

Is their a holistic lifestyle?
We actively accept interns that want to embody a Holistic Natural Lifestyle.

We appreciate diversity and regularly have interns that practice yoga, meditation, song and dance, drumming, guitar, tarot cards, voodoo, community check ins and open empathetic discussion.

In short Rak Tamachat is designed and built for people to practice their own personal pathways towards  a holistic lifestyle withing a supportive community without undue external social pressures.

If you want to learn to live free without judgement, we would love to welcome you into our community.

How I Can Apply Permaculture to My Life


Our course is designed and focused on teaching the skills necessary for you to make a Professional Permaculture Master Plans which you could go onto market in your own Permaculture Consulting business or start your Permaculture projects and communities. Upon completing the course with Rak Tamachat, you will receive a Certified Permaculture Certificate. The PDC certificate entitles you to use the word Permaculture in your future endeavors and pursue your Permaculture Career. Anyone who has taken a PDC with Rak Tamachat can go on to teach a course and pass on the knowledge of Permaculture (though it is strongly recommended that you get several years of hands-on experience first). After completing your Combined Discipline Course, If you want to gain some serious skills and experience, Rak Tamachat offers a Permaculturist in Residence Program.

Continuing Support Following Graduation


Our Students matter to us so we strive to offer lasting support. Students who complete a course with Rak Tamachat are invited to become part of Rak Tamachat’s growing network of graduates. There are three ways we work to support our students:

1.    Graduates may audit any future 72-hour certification courses for free (provided space is available). Our objective is to support our students for as long as they need it or want it, and to encourage them to support each other.

2.    Graduates of a Rak Tamachat course will receive a 10% discount on any additional (different) courses with Rak Tamachat.

3.    Graduates may email to request instructions or advice on any of their future projects from our instructors. We are always here to help our students.

What should I bring?

Please check out our what to bring page.

What can you do to prepare for the course?

This course is intended for:

1) The beginner – who may have just heard about Permaculture for the first time, as well as for;

2) Those with some experience, who may be practicing Permaculture already, but are interested in learning the theoretical framework behind it. You are not expected to have any specific knowledge or skills upon arrival.

We do think it is helpful to start thinking about ecological systems, and Permaculture design in advance. Read!  Find a book about design, organic gardening, integrated systems, ecology, solution- based exploration of our world’s problems, etc. Any of these subjects will provide you with some context prior to the lessons of the course. Or, if you have a specific piece of property or ecological area that you are primarily interested in applying Permaculture principals to, sit and observe it, map it, read about it, and talk to others who are working in similar environments. Then, bring that information with you to the course. We may be able to use it for a design project.